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From Cancel Culture to Kitchen Tables: A Parenting, Family Values, and Weight Loss Discussion with Matty Lansdown
The temperature of public disagreement feels scorching—and that heat is seeping into our homes. We dig into what it means to hold strong convictions while still honoring people, then connect that idea to everyday parenting: how we talk with our kids, how we set boundaries without shaming, and how we handle it when we don't agree. From there, we pull back the curtain on the forces shaping our families—peer culture, dopamine-driven feeds, and convenience foods designed to hijack attention and appetite—and lay out a calmer path forward.
Joined by our favorite nutrition scientist (and new dad) Matty Lansdown, now rebranded as The Real Weight Loss Coach, we walk through why root-cause health beats quick fixes. Matty talks GLP-1 medications with clear eyes—acknowledging potential benefits while naming real side effects and the risk of unresolved binge cycles—and then outlines an alternative: nervous system safety first, sleep and stress dialed in, ingredients-first meals, strength training for muscle and metabolism, and low-risk natural experiments that respect bioindividuality. Matty’s core message is simple and radical: the body keeps the score, and lasting change begins when we feel safe enough to choose differently.
We also take on the tricky question of teens and weight. Instead of aesthetic pressure, we focus on health markers, modeling, and the quiet power of the “ingredients household.” Device-free dinners, predictable rituals, and parent-led example set the tone even when teens detour. And throughout, we return to one big takeaway: honor family values, do less, do it better. Presence lowers cortisol, steadies cravings, and makes healthy choices feel possible in real life.
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Hi, smart moms and dads. I'm so glad you've joined us for this unique episode with one of our favorite returning guests, Maddie Lansdowne, the real weight loss coach. Maddie is a scientist turn nutritionist who helps women finally step off the yo-yo dieting roller coaster, teaching them that diets fail not because people are lazy or undisciplined, but because the root causes of food struggles are emotional and psychological. Maddie's a new dad, so on this episode, Maddie turns the tables and interviews us for some parenting advice. Recording this episode the day after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we spend the first half talking about how parents can fundamentally change culture at the dinner table by modeling what it looks like to honor humanity despite disagreements and differences in opinions and beliefs. It's an honest and raw and important conversation, no matter where you land on the political spectrum. Then we put Maddie in the guest chair and we ask him about GLP1s for weight loss, and he schools us a little bit on the psychology behind weight issues and how that's the secret to beating yo-yo dieting. Now, those two topics seem worlds apart, but somehow we tie it all back to parenting, and that's part of the magic of talking with Matty Lansdown and why we keep inviting him back. So smart moms and dads, this is the Brandy Moms podcast. Hi Matty.
Matty Lansdown:Hey! What's going on?
Dr. Amy Moore:How are you?
Matty Lansdown:Great. How are you?
Dr. Amy Moore:We're having a rough couple days. Yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Oh, is this Charlie Kirk related?
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, I have so much respect for you for putting a video out.
Matty Lansdown:Um, thank you.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, I just made one too, so it'll go out here in an hour or two when we're done. But um, yeah, I saw that this morning and I thought to be on the other side of the world um and to be impacted and and to be sad for what that means for our culture and our world and as parents. Um I just I appreciated seeing that.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, uh like obviously I'm not in the the US and so I don't understand the c complexities that you know living there would come with, but um but in we're we're a tiny country that follows the USA. Like the USA is our big brother. We just do what we're told by the USA, basically. So the thing so a lot of Australians are really aware of US politics for that reason. Um, and so yeah, it was, I mean, you know, in this time of crazy wokeism, whatever, it's nice to have a voice of reason. And I didn't agree with 100% of the things that he said. Um, and I think that's one of the issues. Like, you know, this morning I woke up to DMs from people being like, you know, attacking me for supporting him, you know, and like, I guess you're a Trump supporter, and I guess you're this. And I'm like, well, siloing people like that is part of the problem. Like, there is nuance and context in these conversations. So anyway, it's um, it's yeah, it's just it's you know, for having opinions on the internet, especially when you speak about controversial topics, it feels like a day of like just checking yourself, you know, like, oh, should I be speaking less? Should I be more safe about my language? Like, yeah, it's just not that I'm talking about gun control or religion or anything like you know, that's super triggering like that. But sometimes I talk about vaccines, people get pretty unhappy about that.
Sandy Zamalis:Or they do. Yeah, yeah, we we were talking about like I was actually having the opposite feeling of that is like I operate in a way too safe space. Like, do I need to be more challenging in my speech?
Matty Lansdown:So yeah, I don't know, I don't know if you agree, but so for I've had the podcast going on seven years, and every time I've had someone that disagrees for whatever reason, I invite them onto the podcast. Like, I'm like, let's have a debate. Um, and multiple people that have contacted me to be on the podcast not knowing that I disagree with them, I send them a video back so they can pick up on my vibe and be like, oh, Maddie's not out to d publicly defame me. And I'll say, Hey, look, I'm I'm not on the same page with a lot of the stuff, but I still want you to come on the podcast because I think debate is important. And a hundred percent of them never wrote back. Um, and so I I think you know, we're all shouting into the void on social media and having this echo chamber created, but we need like we need to sit down with these people, you know, and just like have conversations with them because I I think that's the only way forward. Otherwise, we just get louder and louder and louder to our own people, to our own followers.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I I was talking earlier. The one of the best lessons my mom taught me was to be open to all possibilities. And um, while I have very strong opinions, I have very strong religious beliefs, very strong political beliefs. I can separate um other people's perspectives from their personhood, right? And so I can still respect you and love you, even if I don't agree with you. And I think that's where the breakdown is in this cancel culture is yeah that it's an it's all or nothing black or white thinking.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:And it's just another form of insidious bigotry, is what it is, is just that aggressive intolerance of beliefs and opinions that are different than yours. And we're killing people for it.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:It's all so in the space where I sit as you know, a psychologist and a parent educator, what do we need to do differently? I mean, this starts with us. This starts at our dining room tables and the conversations that we're having and what our kids hear us say to each other, what words we're using to talk to them, how we talk about other people. If we're spewing vitriol at our dining room table, then that's what our kids think that we do. Like that's what we're modeling that. And so we have to be able to say, hey, we're gonna honor humanity no matter what. Right? And we're gonna be curious about why people believe what they believe. And maybe we shouldn't be so ingrained in our strong beliefs. Maybe we should be open. And even if we decide not to change our minds, we can still love you, even though you think differently than I do. And if we're not having those conversations, then where are kids and teens getting the idea that it's okay to kill someone because they disagree with them?
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, I'm in the very early stages of being a father. Um, you know, and there was a part of that that connected with the whole Charlie thing happening. Like these two young girls, I think they're both girls that he's gotten growing up without a father. But the the I was speaking to this with a client who is, you know, has grandchildren, um, and she was talking about parenting like a pyramid. It's like you start with like but the upside-down pyramid, basically, is that like you start with like strong boundaries, strong limitations, and then you go the other way. But the problem is we've created this society where um the parents generation before, so maybe my parents or the one before that were raised so harshly that then the next generation was raised with you can be anything, do anything you want, like um, and then and so, and this is the you know, the woke victim mentality that we've got now, because they didn't have those rules and structure in the beginning. They were told they could be and do anything, only to discover that the world wouldn't let them, and so they have tantrums on the regular basis. Um, and so I think as well, it's like getting back to um the parents, like uh raising children, not relying on childcare and not relate relying on teachers to rate doing do the raising, and that that then opens an economic conversation, which is um, and there's obviously lots of good things about feminism and women in the workforce, and I definitely think that's fantastic, but there's a fallout, and the fallout is that the school raises your children, right? And and whether the father stays home or the mother stays home, it's not the family that are raising the the children, it's one woman or man in a room of 30 people, 30 different personalities from 30 different backgrounds, 30 different trauma stories, and the consequence is poorly raised generations of people. Um, and so there's you know, there's so many layers to this. Um, so one, it's like bringing structure back into um a child's life to give them a worldview that makes sense, but also that ideally needs to come from somebody who loves that child because that the person who is emotionally invested in the child cares about what that child's gonna do in the world. Whereas a teacher, I'm not saying teachers are awful, but I'm saying you can't love 30 children every year, a different 30 children every single year like they're your own. So you know you're not gonna be able to raise them. And nor I don't think we should be relying on the system to raise our children.
Dr. Amy Moore:Well, and I would argue that, and I was a former teacher before I was a psychologist, so I would argue that it isn't actually the teacher who's even attempting to raise the kids. The kids are raising one another because they're with each other all day, every day. It's Lord of the Flies. And so the influence, the most powerful influences are peers. Right? The teacher can impart knowledge and guide instruction, but in terms of, hey, how do we act in society and what are we gonna believe and how are we gonna dress? And you know, who are we gonna follow on social media? That's not coming from the teacher. That's coming from peers.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, and then add on top of that, the corruption that I would say exists within social media companies and their algorithms and their advertisers and the way that they're like the difference between China and the rest of the world with TikTok is if you're under 16, your TikTok only has educational content and it switches off at 10 p.m. And so it's like a genius like war strategy, you could even argue, or world domination strategy. It's like we'll keep the rules for our population to make sure they grow up smart, strong, and resilient, and we'll give the heroine version of TikTok to the rest of the world to just totally destabilize everyone.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yes. Yes.
Matty Lansdown:So it's yeah, it's a it's a it's a dark time. Like, and and and yeah, these companies know that they create dopamine addictive apps, and you know, they I saw an interview with um it was one of the coders in the early days of Facebook, and they even talked about the way that you open or you go click see more on a comment to see other comments. What they were trying to replicate the pressing of a button on a pokey's machine on a gambling machine. Um, and so like every minute detail is manipulated. And then you get these vulnerable kids that are just attracted to bright colours and loud things, and and there's you know, going into the you know, the the their brainwave states, yeah, obviously below the age of seven are very different. Um so they're just absorbing all of this content um, you know, without consciously putting it through any filter, the filter should be the adult in the room, right? Um, and because we're busy and overwhelmed and everyone's got 3,000 million things to do in the modern world, most parents just hand the phone or hand a tablet to their kid to just shut them up and distract them while they do the dishes or go and get the groceries or try and organize the next thing because it seems like whether by design or just as a natural consequence of capitalism, we've ended up in a world where we are so so so busy, committed to so many things. Kids have got 24 different sports and 14 different instruments, and you know, and we've got to give them every opportunity. Um, and I would argue, being not really a parent yet, you know, I'm just keeping a thing alive at the minute, I'm not really parenting, but that that surely leads to confusion on some level. It's like so many choices, so many opportunities. And I was definitely raised with the idea, it's like if you you can either half-ass everything or commit to one thing and try and do it well. Um, and so, and and actually something you know, we've been obviously doing a lot of research um with Gabriel being in our lives now and how we're gonna raise him and what we're gonna expose him to, and screens and sugar, and all that kind of stuff, and and even even kids' shows. So when I was a kid, I used to love Thomas the Tank Engine. I'm not sure if your your yeah, your kids are raised.
Dr. Amy Moore:I've always loved it, yeah. Yeah, we had a Thomas the Tank Engine train table.
unknown:Yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Oh, I love this. I love I won't.
Dr. Amy Moore:With all the drawers and all the pieces, and I mean, but it took up half the living room.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, well, the the comparison in this um study that I saw, it was sort of like an observational study. Um, but they compared Thomas the Tank Engine in the 90s um to Peppa Pig in 2019 or something like that, and it found that the frame rate was three uh or scene rate, so it's three different scenes per minute in Thomas the Tank, so it moved very slowly. And in Peppa Pig in the 2000s, it was like 27 scenes per minute. And it's again the idea is that it creates this like, oh, here, there, there, there, here, like this addictive kind of trying to keep up with what's going on. And then you see that you switch Thomas the Tank engine off, and it's like most of the kids were like, Oh, that's over. What's next? You know, um, some were still upset, probably me. Um, and but but then Peppa Pig, almost all of the children you turn it off screaming, right? Because they're on this dopamine cyclone in their brain, and that you've just taken away the dopamine stimulant.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah.
Matty Lansdown:So it's fascinating.
Sandy Zamalis:It is fascinating. I love that. I would be overwhelmed if I were in your position, Matty. Like, I mean, because when Amy and I raised our kids, I mean that was overwhelming enough. Like, um, but we didn't have all of the the digital and the like you know, there was still room for for quiet.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, well, and the question becomes, you know, like I grew up to very much rebel against my mum, right? And it's taken me a long time to come back around. She's on her way to help us today, actually. She's a fantastic woman, but I was the I was just like her, basically. Um, loud, opinionated, strong-willed. Um, and so we clashed for for a long time until I got enough grown-up maturity to sort my shit out. Um, but um, but the interesting thing too is in this world, with the with me having the perception or us having the perception that it is quite toxic with all the screens and all the sugar, and that it's really easy to slip, you know, slip down the slope of uh into that world of messy addiction and your life really going nowhere because you're so distracted. The question then becomes, and maybe you both have wisdom, how do you raise your children to not rebel against what you're trying to create for them?
Dr. Amy Moore:Well, so the reality is there's this term called psychological reactance. And it's basically what happened, you know, with Adam and Eve in the garden, right? God says, Don't eat this fruit, and they say, Here, hold my beer. And so it's this when you're told no, and first of all, I'm an evangelical Christian, so I was not being sacrilegious by saying that. I literally that's what happened, right? They said uh he said no. That makes me want to do it even more. And that's what psychological reactance is, right? When you are told no, it's this overwhelming desire to do it anyway. And so we have to work really, really hard to fight that urge. And as adults, you know, our prefrontal cortex is fully developed, right? So we can reason, we can hold all of the alternatives in working memory so that we can decide what the best choice is. But young children, they're driven by desire and what they want and what they want now and what they want not 10 minutes from now, right? And so it's going to be a challenge, right? It's going to be a challenge. And so my advice is always to create invitations rather than demands. And so when you can phrase things in a way that um sparks curiosity for your child, then they want to know a little bit more, right? Then they want to do it a little bit more that way, right? And then if you can give choices, give choices as much as you can. Because the more power we give kids, the more relational equity we build, right? So that then when you do have to say, well, it's this way and no other way this time, right? They're more likely to go, okay, because I know that I will have choices every other time. So power control and choices, and then just create invitations, invitations for learning, invitations for engagement and connection and fun.
Sandy Zamalis:And I just know it'll be messy. It's gonna be messy though. Oh, for sure.
Matty Lansdown:I don't even know how my brain's working right now with like four hours sleep last time.
Dr. Amy Moore:Right.
Matty Lansdown:We know that looks I feel messy. Yeah. So, but I'm curious, where is the the place for no? Um, like, you know, and those hard boundaries. I mean, obviously when it comes to safety. Yep. Um, you know, because the like and in a way it's like what we were touching on before is that you know, the this generation that we're told anything's okay all of the time, do what you like, your feelings are true. Um, and then they come into the world and met people maybe like us who are like, no, you know, and they're like, ah yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:And so I I think it's um important to ask yourselves as parents, okay, what do we value? What do we value about being a family? And what do we want and what do we value in how we want to raise our children? So what is the end game? And it's the end game is typically not to raise people who do exactly what they're told, right? I don't think when you sit around going, what am I most excited about about being a father? To make sure that my child does exactly what he's told. I don't think that's what you're saying. And so you're probably saying something like, I want my child to love others, be a contributing member to society, you know, appreciate beauty. Like there are things you want them to grow up to be well-rounded adults, right? Who love each other and treat each other with kindness and respect and love you and contribute in some way. Okay, so then then the question is, how do I get from here to there? And so when we think about parenting as teaching rather than disciplining, and actually, if you look at the word discipline, it comes from the word disciple, which means to teach or to lead. And so if we think, okay, how do I lead my child in this direction? What skills do I need to teach my child in order to make him be successful in this direction? Then the rest starts to fall into place. But when we walk into it with a mindset of, because I said so, then that's never going to be successful. Your child might behave out of fear, but does that get you to the endpoint that you're looking for? But boundaries around health and safety, those are non-negotiable. Most other things are negotiable, right? And so again, when you have to set a hard line and go, nope, sorry, I have to keep you safe. My job as a parent is to keep you healthy. So this is how it's gonna be. However, I will let you choose do you want a red apple or a green apple? Because then you're giving them choice and then you're still giving them some power. Not do you want a red apple or an Oreo?
Matty Lansdown:No, the Oreo is not in the question.
Dr. Amy Moore:Exactly. Right? So they have to be the choices that you give them have to be ones you can live with.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, that reminds me of Jordan Peterson. One of his rules or something he talks about is don't raise a kid that you don't like, or something like that. It's like, you know, don't raise them with with attributes that you don't actually like, because that's the beginning of the dissolution of your family. And and it's it's really good that you raise that because in this world, like we're literally here talking about someone that was a bit of a renegade, like that we were before, like with Charlie Kirk, you know, and the last thing that in order to lead, like and to be a good leader, you need to be as compliant. Like compliant leaders are who are they? Nobody knows them, right? Um, because you need to be pushing the boundaries, you need to be challenging people, you need to be holding people to account.
Sandy Zamalis:So yeah, um challenging ideas and you know sharing, you know, speaking without fear, all that stuff.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, completely, completely. So I guess, yeah, in raising children, in some ways, the last thing you want, maybe not the last, but is is compliant adults, like you know, once they're adults. Maybe you don't want them to be drug addicts and speeding and crashing and you know, doing you know, there's not there's a line for the compliance, but uh um, but I guess that that compliance and the non-compliance is based on, as you said, Amy, like the value structure that you want to to build in the family or you want to uphold.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah. Like I I never grounded my boys ever. Not once. They were never grounded.
Matty Lansdown:I wish you were my mom.
Dr. Amy Moore:Um but they're doing really, really well. They're adults now, they're all 20 and up. And um, so they didn't they didn't turn out to be hooligans who are imprisoned. I just had some boundaries that were hard and fast. And those were I need to know where you are and who you're with. Well, that actually gives me a ton of information, doesn't it?
Matty Lansdown:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Where are you and who are you with? Because then I'd be able to speak into that. Hey, I don't think that that's a safe choice. So how about you guys pick something else to do instead? Right. And then it would enable a conversation, right? Or hey, I'm concerned um that their parents are out of town for the weekend. So why don't you guys hang out here? And so uh there were always alternatives that you could throw out there that you could live with, but that still empowered them and helped them make choices based on your values.
Matty Lansdown:Little did I know getting on here that I was gonna have a parent coaching session this morning. This is fantastic.
Dr. Amy Moore:That'll be $150, Maddie.
Matty Lansdown:Amazing. I'll send the carrier pigeons.
Sandy Zamalis:Okay. That's what happens when you get into the trenches of parenthood and start deep thinking. Yeah. Like, oh I have people ahead of me that have done this before. Let me get their thoughts for a second.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, it's it's interesting too because I mean, I grew up and I'm in a world where you hear so many times there's no manual, there's no manual, there's no manual. Um, these kids aren't born with a manual. Uh and I'm like, but a billion humans have been born. Surely there's some like surely somebody knows like like however many hundreds of billions over the course of human history, surely there's some a bit of information that's been recorded.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah. Well, and I think that there are plenty of um smart people who have written smart things that uh you can glean something from.
Sandy Zamalis:Right. Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Right. But I my contention has always been if there were a perfect way to parent, we wouldn't need any prisons.
Matty Lansdown:That's a good, yeah. I like that line. That's good.
Dr. Amy Moore:And so a lot of it is trial and error. And every child is different. Every child is different. So what works for one, even within your own family, what works for one might not work for another. And that's okay too.
Sandy Zamalis:And there's so much personal growth that has to happen too. Because one of the things that maybe, you know, I know how old is your baby, Maddie?
Matty Lansdown:Six months. Six months, yeah.
Sandy Zamalis:So little the fun snuggle at times.
Matty Lansdown:Yes.
Sandy Zamalis:You know, one of the things you realize as a parent, especially as you have more than one. So one will do it too, you know, you'll get that mirror back to you, and all of a sudden you'll think you've got your you know, your stuff together, and then your child will do something, and you're like, oh, well, that triggered something. Who am I? What I thought I was a sensible human, and all of a sudden I'm you gotta pull me off the ceiling. What's going down? Um uh, but then another child will come up and you'll get it all managed with one, and then the other one mirrors something else at you and triggers you in a different way. So, you know, it's part of the parenting piece is learning how to wrestle in those intimate relationships um with the humans that have been put in your care. Um, so it isn't really even all, you know, sometimes I think we think, yeah, we're the adults and we've got it all together, but really it's in that growth of our own journey too, of learning how to be this new adult that is now responsible. Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:And and recognizing that you're gonna mess it up. And you're gonna mess it up. And show yourself some grace for that, right? We do the best that we can with the information that we have at the time. Yeah, and if you walk into a situation like that and recognizing that connection should be your mindset, everything else, you're gonna screw it up. So don't expect, right? But love and do it. And we sometimes we have to do repair work. Sometimes we have to say, Well, of course, you know, mom or dad got that wrong, and we're really sorry. Will you accept our apology? I think we should have done it this way instead. And I promise to try it differently next time. And we have to be vulnerable like that and be willing to do that repair work, and it goes a long way.
Matty Lansdown:I've already noticed the feeling of being more accountable to you know hard conversations and apologies, and and you know, if I'm in my stubbornness, um, I'm like, oh, would I be annoyed at Gabriel for not manning up and apologizing or doing the task or whatever? And it's like, is this the hill I'm gonna die on? No, like so it's like, oh, actually, it's interesting. I don't know if either of you had this experience, or but for me as as a man, um when he was born, it's like it cleared my mind in the sense that like all the noise of possibility, of romantic ideas about what's possible and what I could do, and you know, with business, with life, with who knows what, all of it just disappeared. And it was like soul focus. I gotta look after the family now. And you know, there's it was it was just such a I didn't expect it to be such a moment of clarity and to just get rid of all the noise that a young my younger self was, you know, kind of I guess disappointed at like, oh I can't live a hundred lives to do all of the things in my head, you know?
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Um, and and um, and I guess social media really plays into that FOMO and you know the fear of I guess not experiencing lives that you could have experienced or probably you really couldn't have. It's just social media makes you think you could have.
Sandy Zamalis:Right.
Matty Lansdown:Um, but but yeah, it was so it was so it's been so refreshing to just have that clarity of mind and that sort of single direction of just like, oh, it's so much easier like this. And it's funny because Yali and I was gonna say Yali and I are late 30s. Um, and so uh we both have been like, oh my god, why didn't we do this sooner?
Sandy Zamalis:I've heard it described, it's that shift between, you know, up until you know your first child, you're living for yourself. And so all your decisions are based around your needs and wants. But once you have a child, you're now living for someone else like you've never had to think about the world before. So that's the shift.
Dr. Amy Moore:Well, I will say I had the exact opposite uh experience that than you had. I I knew everything before I had kids, like I knew it all. Um, and I was so secure in my career choices and how I was handling my relationships. And uh I just I was, you know, I was an expert in in all of it. You see, you hear my sarcasm. Okay. So I can remember I was giving a presentation to a bunch of teachers, and uh it was a you know, some curriculum ideas, and it was really cool. I was a curriculum coordinator at the time, and I would I like I had so much passion and so so much excitement, and they would ask me questions and I go, Well, you just need to tell the kids to do it this way, right? And I had this guy, mid forties, late 40s, stand up and he went, You don't have any kids of your own, do you? And it was this aha moment that maybe I didn't know as much as I thought I did, right? That that here I was with a master's degree in early childhood education. Therefore, I was a master at all children zero through eight, right? And being questioned because I don't have my own children, right? That I started thinking, oh, am I missing something? And then as soon as I had my first one, all hell broke loose, the wheels fell off the bus. I had no idea what I was doing. And it was this race to figure it all out that I might have just won.
unknown:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Right. Well, yeah, right. And then and then even going back and getting a PhD, it didn't help me be a better mom. It helped me be better at my job. But until you're in it, you know, I so it clouded my mind. It totally scrambled my mind. Uh and it was uh it was total on-the-job training.
Matty Lansdown:Well, it's it's it's funny that you say this the mind scramble happened. Um, because I guess before witnessing Yali go through like baby brain and just like sort of, you know, she went through this phase where she was dropping shattering glasses and she chopped the top of her finger off and she's so tired, so exhausted. Um, and before that, like I sort of, I guess unconsciously or just the lack of awareness, would think you'd hear these situations happen with babies or mums, or and you'd be like, how could you let that happen to your child? And then witnessing, like, you know, Yali kind of mentally fall apart just because she's so exhausted. Um, I'm like, oh, you know, I understand now how the woman for one second let go of the pram and it ended up on the train tracks, you know, or those little things like we beforehand, you just have no concept of what sleep deprived is. Like I'm comparing right now to when I was like really, really drunk regularly at university, uh, you know, like 20 years ago. And this is this is so much worse. Like the sleep deprivation and the need to perform and get on conversations like this and try and sound like I've got more than three brain cells. So this feels pretty challenging someday.
Dr. Amy Moore:It's probably why you're asking us all the questions, right? Like if you have this all planned, Maddie. You know what? I'm just gonna ask them and they can do all the talking. And ironically, we had the same conversation disclosure this morning. So fun. Yeah. So Sandy texts me this morning and she said, Hey, I just need to give you a heads up that I'm just not in a good headspace because of what happened with Charlie Kirk yesterday. And and I said, Well, I haven't been able to stop weeping. And this was probably 11 a.m., right? And so, like, I've been trying to get myself together and just was really struggling. And um, and I said, But you know what, it'll be fine. I said, because we'll just throw a couple of questions to Maddie and he will talk the entire time. And I said, all of our young listeners will love his sexy Aussie accent. They'll be totally captivated. We'll be fine. We just have to sit there and listen.
Matty Lansdown:That's hilarious. Oh my god.
Dr. Amy Moore:It's all the best way plans, right?
Matty Lansdown:So this is just the musings of three really tired, destabilized humans.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, exactly. Yeah, for sure. Um okay, so we do want to ask you a couple of questions.
Matty Lansdown:Sure, let's do that.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah. So uh you have rebranded and renamed your entire universe, right?
Matty Lansdown:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, tell us a little bit about that.
Matty Lansdown:Sure. Um, so yeah, we've rebranded to the real weight loss coach. Uh, formerly, the podcast was How to Not Get Sick and Die, which is a fantastic name. And I'm sad to live in the book. It's so sticky.
Dr. Amy Moore:It was so sticky.
Matty Lansdown:So sticky. But um, but what I found is I guess between the How to Not Get Sick and Die podcast, and then sort of maddylandsdown.com, and then my program was Mind Body Nourishment. I had all, and then my Instagram was The Real Weight Loss Coach. I had these four different brands, and and and it didn't really seem obvious how they were connected. And the reason that we eventually landed, I say we because Yali and I were brainstorming rebrand ideas for a while, and it was Yarly that came up with it in the end, which was just the word real, that we do real work. We do emotional binge overeating, psychology hormones, like all of the things that aren't calories and workouts, basically. And so, um, and we lean very heavily into the psychological um stuff as well. So that's the idea of the word real. And so, yeah, I just wanted to paint all of the doors on the internet the same color so that anybody that found me anywhere, they knew what was behind the door, you know. And then at some point in there, I just started getting real excited because the word real, I can use it in all these context contexts, and I've got these like little branding things like uh eat real clean, get real healthy, feel real good, like you know, real talk segment on the podcast, and like I'm just real, real, real everything.
Dr. Amy Moore:And that actually is a great adjective for you.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, I think so.
Dr. Amy Moore:As you are, I mean, you're so authentic.
Matty Lansdown:Oh, thank you. I'm glad that comes across. Like, yeah, it's it's interesting. Um, I'm about to run my first retreat, but um, over the years I've caught up with clients or you know, podcast listeners randomly in person, or I'll be in the city and somebody will recognize me, which doesn't happen often, but when it does, I feel pretty special. Um, but it's the in these moments people actually say this I get two pieces of feedback when people spend time with me in real life. One is uh you're a lot taller than I expected. And two is you're so much more chill because people hear me on podcasts where I'm like, I'm passionate. I'm like, this is what I think, and I'm I care a lot. And and so they just expect that I'm like that all of the time. I'm like, when you're around me, all I'm gonna do is campaign for health, nothing else. Um and so so I'm pretty happy with that feedback.
Dr. Amy Moore:Well, and I think people automatically assume that what we do is who we are. And so I have this t-shirt that says, keep talking, I'm diagnosing you. Because once people realize I'm a psychologist, they're all of a sudden afraid to say anything in front of me because they think that I'm gonna be done. I don't want to sit around diagnosing you. That isn't even the type of psychology that I practice. So they just all of a sudden it's like, okay, you're a weight loss coach. So you're looking me up and down, trying to decide, you know, she'd be really pretty if she lost 20 pounds, right? I mean, that is that is what we think when we find out what people do, right?
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:You know, you find out somebody's a doctor and you're like, hey, can I ask you a question? Right. And they're like, no, I'm not working right now.
Matty Lansdown:Well, it's funny you say that too, because I've um, as part of the retreat, I've you know been getting all of this physical merch together and and stuff to gift everybody, and um, and I've created like a hoodie um which has got the real weight loss coach podcast branding on it. But I'm very aware that nobody will buy that because nobody wants the branding of the words weight loss on them, right? So I'm wearing it, I'm the billboard at the gym, so you know I'm proudly wearing it. Uh, and hopefully people will ask about it, but uh either way, they might search the podcast. But it's interesting too because this rebrand is really good for for incoming business, but nobody wants to, it's kind of like uh personal development and particularly psychological self-help books took spiked massively when audio came in. Because you don't need to be witnessed doing this private work. Um, and so that's why I'm trying to lean into this, I guess, other part of the brand that's kind of fun, you know, like you know, get real healthy, feel real good, uh, get real, real talk, like, you know, what a lot of us can relate to that. And in this world where I think we're in a trust recession um with the internet and all the editing and all the AI that's coming in, um, you know, I really want to lean into that so people, you know, come to towards what we do in a way that's like authentic and they feel that they can show up as who they are, and I'm gonna show up as who I naturally am. And it's not Maddie on camera, and then you know, I'm really secretly, you know, a narcissistic, arrogant, awful person that's like trying to dominate the world through my pretend online personality, you know.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, that's funny. All right.
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Well, then I want to talk to you about a couple of things related to being a real weight loss coach.
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:And that is, I would like to talk to you about GLP1s. Um, and I I think just from hearing you speak and um, you know, some of the comments that I've seen, that you're not a super fan.
Matty Lansdown:Well, I mean, my background was in I spent, you know, I was a scientist, I spent time uh in laboratories, I spent a lot of time in cancer research. Um before that I was in vaccine research. And so the position that I hold now is informed by a background of working on medical research, medical science, you know, uh drugs, that kind of stuff. And so, and often, you know, I often get medical experts that slip into my DMs to tell me what they think of my natural health position, which is always wonderful. Um, but but I I share that first and foremost because I was once all for Western medicine as the answer to all of our problems. My mum was a nurse, you know. I grew up going to work with her in a small country town, you know, the hospital I thought was the best thing ever. Um, and this is not to say drugs don't have have utility and that hospitals are bad, like they're they're great. Um, they do like you know, like if I'm in a car crash, don't put herbs on my broken neck. You know, like take me to a hospital.
Dr. Amy Moore:Rub some essential oil on it, right? Yeah, right.
Matty Lansdown:Well, and the essential oil might be part of the healing, but that's later. Exactly. You know? Um, but but all of that to say that, you know, and this probably leans into all of the political stuff we've we've already touched on in some ways, is that capitalism, especially in big when it comes to big pharma and the biggest industries on the planet, there's corruption in there. And and I personally, from what I've seen, what I've researched, I came to the conclusion that a lot of the highest-grossing drugs uh come with, should come with a strong degree of skepticism as to why that money isn't put into curing the problem as much as it as it is selling drugs to manage the problem. And so, with that logic is why I then started looking at ways to help fix people permanently, like cure people. And on that journey, I discovered lots, you know, lots of different doctors that had left the system, scientists that had left the system, uh, people that had gone and re-educated in uh different modalities, Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, nutrition, whatever it might be. And so I think somewhere in there is the ultimate combination of like natural health and sort of conventional medical, and where we land on that spectrum is going to be different for everyone. Um, but when it comes to GLP ones, again, this is gonna be another hundred billion dollar drug, you know. So insert that degree of skepticism that I mentioned before. Why are we not solving the problem? Um, and I mean, the I did a podcast not too long ago on the side effects of Ozempic, and and I referenced data all throughout that. And they like the side effects are awful. And I know that we're in a a vanity metrics society of you've got to look Instagrammable or you know, you've got to be look good on TikTok or look good in front of a camera. And so, you know, we leave lean heavily in the direction of do I look good, you know, do I have sexual appeal in the marketplace, you know, men and women. Um, and and and that that only gets you so far because when you're and I often talk about layers of motivation, so you can take the GLP ones, you can take the drugs, and you can get skinny, but awesome. But if you're on the other side of that, still hating yourself, still uh say you stop the drug and you go back to binge eating, or in the process of taking the GLP one, you've destabilized your microbiome, so you don't actually absorb iron anymore. So your low energy, your mitochondria is dysfunctional. Like, what is the price for most people of taking a GLP one? Um, unless you have to be on it for the rest of your life, of which many people have a really unpleasant experience. And so one of the reasons I'm I'm like, if I have a client that's on it, I'm not gonna judge them. I'm gonna be like, all right, let's work on, let's figure out a way to slowly reduce the dose and get you off it so that you can live a life that actually maintains the weight loss and maintains the health. Um, because I'm all for getting people healthy, strong, and and stable within who they are, rather than you know, trying to maintain because even maintaining weight loss feels like this. I'm holding back this really big boulder that's trying to roll over me. Um, and really we want to just step into who we are. Um, and I'm almost certain most people listening don't want to inject themselves every day. They don't want to have gut issues, they don't want to have, uh, you know, there's been uh the the um CEO uh of of Ozempic was hit with a hundred billion dollar um lawsuit because of the number of people that went blind as a result of Ozempic. Um and and I like again, I get that this vanity culture says I'm willing to risk that just to be skinny. But I have so many clients that achieved that result through yo-yo dieting in the years before, only to end up working with me because they're like, I still hate myself, right? Um, and this is the real work, like this is the idea of what we do is that we go those layers deeper. Um, do some people have a really burnt-out, messed up metabolism that drugs could help? Yes. Do I think Ozempic is the answer to that? Mostly no. The other thing is alongside these um uh drugs, when it comes to weight loss drugs, it's often recommended that you eat a really good diet and you're really active. Um, and people that get the best results are usually, you know, adhering to multiple aspects of their regime, not just the medication. Yeah. Um, and so, and you know, when I look at the recommended Ozempic diet, uh it's not too far away from something that I think is a good idea to lose weight anyway. Um, however, I am very aware that women, particularly whose bodies have been through pregnancies and trauma uh and multiple other factors, it's not just burning fat that is, and this is why I get fired up about uh personal trainers on social media that are just like calorie deficit, calorie deficit, all it is is a calorie deficit. And then you've got millions of women that are like, I've been doing that forever. I literally eat one lettuce leaf per meal, and I I can't lose any weight.
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Um, and that's because there are other systems in the body that are um damaged, compensating, missing, traumatized, like or bracing patterns that are holding that there for maybe there was sexual abuse, maybe there was you know something awful. And and I've had this conversation a very sad amount of times with clients that we get to the root cause, which is like I keep myself fat because this layer of fat means that I'm not pretty or beautiful, and therefore I do not get male attention. And whenever I start to lose weight, people start to notice and they'll comment and be like, oh, you're looking good, and then that that it's reactivated. This old trauma is reactivated, and I go back into a binge eating cycle, which then puts the weight back on. But for years, because of you know, marketing being just about weight loss and calories, um, we but you know, we all beat ourselves up because it's like, oh, it it it must be my fault. I'm not strong enough, whilst neglecting this trauma which we're not acknowledging. And second to that, acknowledging, just like we talked about with social media apps, like supermarkets are designed by psychologists to manipulate our behavior. And and and so we go into these environments thinking that we've got a great, you know, free thinking mind on our head and in our mind, and we're like, oh, I made this choice to eat this, I made this choice to eat this. And it's like, sure, on some level you made that choice, but that was a very, very massage decision by the marketing and branding companies, which make billions from manipulating your behavior. So I think there's there's all of these other aspects which need to be acknowledged in order to be able to create a life that is is healthy and to recognize as well that our bodies, particularly women, fluctuate a little bit, especially with hormones and the monthly cycle and then going through menopause. Um, and and so maybe a GLP1 is a useful bridge, maybe it's a part of that solution. But I would always be looking for like what is the root cause of the weight gain or the cycling weight in and out up and down, um, or in this case the mast cell, or if I have someone that's got cancer or heart issues, it's always like what is causing that? And the list is long and frustratingly so, which is no wonder drugs are appealing because it's like, oh my God, so there's obesogens in my kitchen under the sink, there's obesogens in my makeup, there's obesogens in the deodorant that I use, there's obesity, like it's everywhere, you know. Um, so when you put the list together, no wonder people are like, I don't have time for that. You know, I don't have the money to replace every plastic thing in my house, you know? So um, so anyway, that's my thoughts. Where are we at?
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah, so what do you make of um the natural GLP1 um promoters or like the sea salt thing that I've seen all over? Have you seen that? Like the pink salt mimic, or what I mean, what do you say to paint people who are seeing this stuff on social media and saying, okay, well, maybe this is a natural alternative. I can just take this. What do you think?
Matty Lansdown:Yeah. Yeah, I mean, experiments are good. Like we're all an N of one, like a research study of one, and something different works for everyone. And and I say that because like the again, when we're talking about women that are particularly, you know, 40, 50, 60, 70 years old, that body has been through a complex life. And and if we take it to the part of the body that absorbs all of it, it's the nervous system, right? The nervous system has has absorbed that entire life. Um, and so stress of every kind, you know, deaths, um, hunger, sadness, annoyance, laughter, like the whole life. And and most of the people I work with have never been taught how to release their emotions, to relax their nervous system. And many people feel unsafe in their nervous system. Like when they actually calm down or they go somewhere where there's no stimulation, they start to get really anxious and anxiety comes up in people because they're not they're so unfamiliar with that state, and and therefore as a result, it feels unsafe. Um, so I would say try all of the things you know that are available to you and trying the good thing about trying natural alternatives or suggestions, if they work for some people and they might not work for you, there's little to no side effect. That's the really great thing. And and I love that about food as medicine and nutrition and herbs. And I've even got a glass of disgusting herbs right here. I'm on a parasite cleanse right now. Um, and but the good thing is I could have heaps of those, and sure, they might not taste good in my mouth, but um beyond that, you know, it's not gonna cause gastroparesis, it's not gonna, you know, cause me to, you know, go blind or anything like that. So that it's a very low-risk intervention to explore. So I would encourage people to explore those things because there's I've had clients before uh that have said, or people in my DMs that just sort of say, Oh, I tried this and it worked. And I was like, Oh, really? Amazing. Didn't expect that.
Dr. Amy Moore:Right. So then what is at the core of what you want women to know, right? Like, so these are kind of ancillary, right? Like that that can be a tool, or this can be a tool, or try this, experiment with that. But foundationally, what is your message?
Matty Lansdown:Foundationally, I bel I think that our body keeps the score, essentially, um, which is that our body is the consequence of our beliefs, our ideas, the stuff we put into it, uh, the company that we keep. Um, it's a it's a mirror in many ways. Uh, and so understanding what is at the core of who you are is going to tell you what kind of body you've got. And that might trigger some people. Um, I totally get that that might be really offensive to some people, but um, it's not until we start peeling back these layers that we can see what's really at that core. And and it that core might be just a seven-year-old little girl that's really scared of being hurt again, you know. Um, and it can be really intensely emotional to go through this process. And, you know, if I spoke to whenever I speak to business coaches, they basically tell me I'm an idiot because I'm too honest and that discourages people from working with me. Um, because I'm honest about like the real work is hard work, like, and and it's even even using the word work is a bit like, oh, I don't want to do that, just give me the drug. Like, you know, I don't have to think. Um, and really it's a it's a life intervention, and we just we start with the conversation about weight loss, but we end up at all of these ancillary ideas, which is yeah, we might need to have a really, really important conversation with your husband that might really destabilize that relationship, or you might need to go and do some healing over some horrible things that happened to you one time it's not going to fix overnight, and or you you're missing your gallbladder, and you, you know, that produces weight um uh hormones that help with weight loss, or um, you know, so there's so many, there's so many factors that that go into this. And with each individual in front of me, we can usually get a few of those things off the list quite quickly and sort of say, all right, these are the things we need to focus on. Um, but again, I'm going back to that, you know, you're a research study of one, um, and I'm honest with people, which is like, I don't know what's wrong with you, and I'm not the answer to your problems. You are, but I'm here to guide you on that journey. Um, and so, and then we just start, we have a big session, we write everything down, then we prioritize that list, and then we just start with number one. And if we get a rot result with number one, awesome. Um, but we might need to go two, three, four. And the good thing is once you work through those layers, you're not going to get to the other side and be like, well, that was a waste of time, because you've usually done, even if there's no weight loss, right, you've still done a lot of emotional healing and sort of transformation, if you like, that sort of fluffy word. But um, but yeah, so I think the underlying message is that you're the answer to your problems and you're totally fixable. And you could even say, you don't need fixing, we just need to evolve and write a new chapter.
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Dr. Amy Moore:All right. So let's talk about teenage girls. So you've got a teen girl who is struggling with weight. How do you sensitively, as a parent, how do you sensitively handle that kind of conversation? When is the right time to intervene? Should you intervene in the teenage years? My my thinking is you've got a pre-diabetic teen that maybe you want to go ahead and intervene for health reasons, but what is the what I mean, what's the professional guidance there? Like what should moms do who have a um a teen daughter who's struggling with their weight, or even a teen son for that matter?
Matty Lansdown:So I think the most important thing is just like we talked about with the values in the family and the values at home, um, and something that Yali and I talk about, even in all the chaos of life at the moment, and we've only got one. Oh my god, there's gonna be more chaos with more kids. Like, is that our our as mum and dad, as the you know, the people at the driving the ship, that our health and wellness is is really, really still equal on on par with the kids in in on a level of importance. Um, and so that means that I I have to get to the gym. Like, you know, um my goal in life is to be a jacked dad. Um for the for the sole reason, or if not for the primary reason, of being an embodiment of our our family values, um, and the kids growing up being like, yeah, most of my friends' dads are overweight, have a beer belly. Um, and this isn't to judge people, we all make different choices, but um, but it is to show that health is important. Even my busy parents are both still very healthy and strong and able, and it's something that we all prioritize as a family. Does that mean we're gonna have a rebellious teenager that, you know, uh is like, well, I'm gonna, you know, eat KFC all of the time, and I'm gonna be the opposite of you because you are the antithesis of my existence. Um, you know, maybe that was me as a teenager. Um, but I guess the point is it's like talking to teenagers, obviously super, super delicate. Even women of all ages, to be honest, but the younger, the more, usually the more fragile, the younger they are, and the more influential. But I think embodiment um and yeah, because we're all the the average of the closest five people, and even if we are still living with our parents or living in it with the family, but you know, not really following their their uh way of life, I think most kids in a relatively healthy family environment end up making their way back around to like, oh, actually, some of the stuff I was rebelling against, most of them most of that actually I kind of do now, you know. Um, or at the very least, they grow up with the knowledge of what what it is. I've got a friend with a 17-year-old anorexic daughter and talk to her regularly, and she's a beautiful mum, she's a beautiful human, and just constantly upset about her the the health issues her daughter's gonna have. And um, and I honestly, she's been one of my biggest learnings about how she navigates it, because from where I am, she seems to do a great job, um, but also being very aware that between school and her phone, how much influence does she have right now? And and so her thing is that she just keeps getting up and going to the gym herself. So, in the hope that one day her leadership and her health prioritization as the mother will have some influence down the track.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah. Yeah. I think that what you're highlighting is the complexity of raising teenagers in general. And health and weight issues are just one of those many challenges that as parents we may face in figuring out, okay, how do I sensitively communicate that I'm concerned about my child's health, right? Not necessarily from an aesthetics perspective, but truly fundamentally from a health perspective. You know, I've I've counseled many families casually and professionally, where they complain that all their child wants is junk food. And so I might I throw it back to them and say, well, who's going grocery shopping? Who's buying the food? Right. If you're stocking your pantry with Oreos and Laise potato chips, then you're creating temptations. Whereas if we're stocking our kitchens with choices that you can live with that you're not gonna come complain about, right? You're the one buying the food. The problem is your kid turns 16, starts driving, gets a job, can buy their own McDonald's in the drive-thru, which is exactly what I started doing, right? Like my mom never cooked fried food ever. I only had ocean to table meals because I grew up on the beach, right? And so everything was super um good for me until I got a driver's license.
Sandy Zamalis:The opposite problem. You had the opposite problem? Yeah, totally. My mom, um, my mom and dad were both in the military. They both, you know, had to work, they rarely had time off and you know, limited income. And so I mean, we lived on Oreos and had the whole hostess choice collection, like my whole memory. And so for me, like back to what Maddie's saying, like we go back to old habits um and trying to dig down into that. Like, you know, I think for on TikTok or somewhere for a while, it was like the question, I can't remember what the opposite was, but one of it was, you know, are were you an ingredients household, or were you whatever the opposite of that is, you know? And like, Amy, it sounds like you were the ingredients household and I was the opposite. It was all pre made craft macaroni and cheese, anything I could read the instruction label on and Whip it together. Because that's how I learned to cook, right? Um and try to reframe that as an adult, you know. I you know, I don't know that I modeled that well for my kids. I did try, I had to learn a lot when I got married because my husband came from an ingredients household. Very Greek. And so I know to figure that out. Um so funny though, my my father-in-law told me a couple years ago, he's like, You you've come a long way. He loves me dearly. But he's like, this was really good. You've come a long way. That's awesome. Thanks.
Matty Lansdown:I was an ingredients household too.
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah, like so you know, there's many of us, I probably many of you, I would be I'm only I'm your I'm your charter member in the you know, when you think of people, it's me. Um but that's what we grew up on. It's so easy, convenience. It's that convenience, and you know, when life is busy, when both parents are working, there's not enough time. Um it tastes good, it's you know, yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Well, and and I would add to that. Well, there's two first thing I want to mention is like I grew up in an ingredients household, and for all of the challenges with my mom, she did many things amazingly. Um, and one was that cooking, and she made sure we all had a cooking night. I rebelled against that for a long time, but I did pick up a lot of skills along the way. Um, and when we wanted pizza, it was homemade pizzas. And when we wanted burgers, it was like, I want to I want a cheeseburger from McDonald's. So we made cheeseburgers. We still ended up there sometimes. Um, but like it was the point that, like, oh, you can actually create this at home. And then I think one thing you discover um as an adult is that actually a lot of the homemade sweets you can make are so much better than the ones you can buy for a dollar at the supermarket anyway. Um, but I mean I I'm I'm I'm always like feel like I'm defaulting to corruption, but the corruption of the food industry is that the the terrible food is so so so affordable, right? Um, and and it's just so cheap. It's a dollar, two dollars, five dollars to buy a whole family's worth of Oreos, you know, or whatever it is, versus all of the individual ingredients that then cost $100 to then I've got to also go home, I've spent all this money and now I've got to go and do the labor. That seems like a raw deal. Um, and so that's an element of it too. And so, um, and also maybe part of the family values conversation is um, I feel like as part of that capitalism, you know, products selling things that the world in the world we're in is in there, they've made meal time not important. Like once it was only two generations ago that it at the same time every day, mom or somebody entered the kitchen um to begin the process of meals for the day, um, or the women in the house, or what you know, whatever it was, could be the men. I cook a lot here. Um, but the point is that there's a time for meal prep to begin uh and the and time for the meal to cook. And so we're gonna try really hard to not get sucked in, it'll happen sometimes, but to the being ultra busy is is what nor normal people do. Um, and sure, we'll still be busy, but the point is that meal time still matters. Mealtime is a part of that busyness, it's something you need to do. We need to sit down at the table, we need to cook the food, we need to prepare it. Um, because minus the last 50 years, everything before that for human history, food was important because it meant we didn't die. Right? Whereas now there's such an abundance that it's like, oh, you can drive, be on the phone, and have a burger in your mouth, not even consciously thinking, which by the way affects your digestion, affects how much how many calories you put in, means that you're more likely to overeat, means you're more likely to go towards sugary foods, because you're not consciously eating, you're not being present with your food. And you've got your stress system triggered. So I think this loss of meal time being important works in favor of the food industry that we're in, fast food, you know, convenience food, and this idea that, yeah, I need something, food to be convenient because modern society says it doesn't matter. Food doesn't matter. Solve the problem with OZMPIC in 20 years.
Dr. Amy Moore:Yeah. Well, and I think it's important to point out the opportunity that we have for connection around the dining room table. That it's not just about our physical health, but our social and emotional health as well, to be able to connect with our kids and with each other every day around the dining room table, the conversations and the opportunities that that can create. Um, again, it goes back to what do we value as a family. And so we do value physical health and emotional health. And you're killing two birds with one stone by having uh an ingredients-based meal around the dining room table.
Matty Lansdown:Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely will do everything that I can to make sure that the kids, we've only got one now, but Yali's at the point where she's telling me she wants six at the minute, so that's gonna be interesting. Um, I might have to lock myself in this room. Um, but um, but yeah, I'm gonna do everything I can to be an ingredients household where all of the kids um know how to cook, you know, know why food is important. And sure, there'll be a rebel in there, or or all of them will be, and they'll pretend not to care for an amount of years. But at some point later in life, in their 20s, ideally, or their 30s, they'll be like, oh, they'll they'll be with a partner or they'll be in a house where they're sharing, and it'll just be like, Oh, you don't know how to cook? Here, just give it here, I'll just do it. Then they'll have this moment of like, oh my god, I'm so glad that my mom and dad taught me how to do this.
Dr. Amy Moore:Absolutely.
Matty Lansdown:One can only hope.
Dr. Amy Moore:Actually, all three of my boys are phenomenal cooks and awesome, so yeah. Yeah.
Sandy Zamalis:Yeah.
Dr. Amy Moore:Maddie, we've been talking to you for a long time, and you probably have a baby that you want to get back to because it's early in the morning for you. Um, what do you want to leave our listeners with? How can they find you? What do they need to know that you haven't gotten to say today?
Matty Lansdown:Um I mean, so many things really. Uh, we could just talk all day. But um, I mean, first, yeah, you can find me at the Real Weight Loss Coach Podcast or anywhere online. It's the same brand everywhere now. So that's good. Um, but I think the thing that um I would leave people with today is that is is just to focus on doing less. I think that's kind of the theme overall, is that we're trying to fit so many solutions, activities, experiences, and we're trying to cram it all into the same life. And sure, we should live abundantly, but I really lean into that idea of sort of not half doing everything and living a life incomplete, if that makes sense. Um, I think it's better to just do slightly less and fully experience it. Put your phone down, put the food down, be present. Uh, and I think that you know, lowering that cortisol and adrenaline in our system is gonna benefit weight loss, it's gonna benefit our mental health, it's gonna benefit our relationships. Um, so I think in this particular moment, the take-home message is um do less and do it better.
Dr. Amy Moore:I love that. Matty Lansdown, thanks for being with us again. I think this is your third visit to us, and uh, yeah. Well, we always love uh spending an hour or more with you. Um, you're just engaging and super smart, and we love learning from you, talking to you.
Sandy Zamalis:Love blessed.
Dr. Amy Moore:Um, and you always make us feel good because we get to, you know, share some uh tidbits with you as well. So yeah.
Matty Lansdown:Well, thanks for having me. I like I love hanging out and talking, and um and yeah, this has been great. And I'm I'm glad that um we all didn't fall asleep.
Dr. Amy Moore:Right, absolutely. Uh so listeners, thanks for being with us today. We hope you feel a little smarter after spending this hour with us and Matty Lansdown. You can find us at the Brainy Moms um or go to our website, thebrainymoms.com, to find this and the other two episodes Matty has joined us on. And we will put the links to both of those episodes in the show notes of this one so that you can hear all of his wisdom. So we'll talk to you next time. Thanks.
